Price. Sell. Paint. podcast cover featuring hosts Jon Bryant and Michael Murray discussing estimating and sales strategies for painting contractors

Jon Bryant & Michael Murray dig deep into finding the tools, tactics, and tricks to help your painting business succeed.

30+ combined years of painting industry experience
Actionable strategies you can implement right away
Honest conversations with top painting-industry experts and leaders

Listen On

 
 

Podcast

Price. Sell. Paint.

Latest Episodes

 
 

Episode 59

Stop Pricing Yourself Out of Business

Chris Moore (Elite Business Advisors) joins Jon and Michael to break down why most painting businesses don’t fail because of pricing.

February 12, 2026
50 min
Listen to Stop Pricing Yourself Out of Business
Stop Pricing Yourself Out of Business
 
 

Episode 58

What Should Painting Sales Reps Do Outside of Selling?

What should a painting sales rep be doing outside of selling the job? Jon and Michael break down where sales responsibilities should start and stop.

January 28, 2026
44 min
Listen to What Should Painting Sales Reps Do Outside of Selling?
What Should Painting Sales Reps Do Outside of Selling?
 
 

Episode 57

Ready to Win the Job? What to Bring to Every Paint Estimate

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon and Michael break down exactly what you should bring with you to every on-site estimate if you want to stand out.

January 8, 2026
51 min
Listen to Ready to Win the Job? What to Bring to Every Paint Estimate
Ready to Win the Job? What to Bring to Every Paint Estimate
 
 

Episode 56

How Two Day Painting Built an $8.5M, 25% Profit Painting Machine

Garrett Martell from Two Day Painting joins Jon and Michael to break down how he grew from a $10k credit card and door-knocking to an $8.5M painting company.

December 24, 2025
51 min
Listen to How Two Day Painting Built an $8.5M, 25% Profit Painting Machine
How Two Day Painting Built an $8.5M, 25% Profit Painting Machine
 
 

Episode 55

The 2026 Kickoff Playbook (Every Painting Contractor Needs This)

Every contractor hits the December wall. But instead of scrambling for last-minute leads, Jon and Michael walk through a smarter strategy.

December 11, 2025
27 min
Listen to The 2026 Kickoff Playbook (Every Painting Contractor Needs This)
The 2026 Kickoff Playbook (Every Painting Contractor Needs This)
 
 

Episode 54

Why Square-Foot Pricing Fails (and What to Use Instead)

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint. Michael Murray and Jon Bryant break down one of the biggest challenges in the painting industry: pricing jobs accurately

November 27, 2025
48 min
Listen to Why Square-Foot Pricing Fails (and What to Use Instead)
Why Square-Foot Pricing Fails (and What to Use Instead)
 
 

Episode 53

Email, Text, or Call? How Painting Sales Reps Should Talk to Customers

Michael Murray and Jon Bryant break down one of the most underrated parts of sales in a painting business: how you communicate.

November 13, 2025
1 hr 1 min
Listen to Email, Text, or Call? How Painting Sales Reps Should Talk to Customers
Email, Text, or Call? How Painting Sales Reps Should Talk to Customers
 
 

Episode 52

Painting Businesses + AI: What Actually Moves the Needle

AI is everywhere, but what’s actually useful for a painting business? Jon and Michael break down the tools that move the needle today.

October 29, 2025
48 min
Listen to Painting Businesses + AI: What Actually Moves the Needle
Painting Businesses + AI: What Actually Moves the Needle
 
 

Episode 51

Beige Is Back: Sherwin-Williams’ Color Expert on Paint Colors, Trends & Winning Jobs w/ Sue Wadden

Sherwin-Williams’ Sue Wadden (Director of Color Marketing, 25+ years) joins Jon to break down the real driver of most paint jobs—COLOR—and how pros can use it.

October 15, 2025
41 min
Listen to Beige Is Back: Sherwin-Williams’ Color Expert on Paint Colors, Trends & Winning Jobs w/ Sue Wadden
Beige Is Back: Sherwin-Williams’ Color Expert on Paint Colors, Trends & Winning Jobs w/ Sue Wadden
 
 

Episode 50

What the Heck Is a CRM?

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon Bryant and Michael Murray break down what a CRM is and why painting companies should have one.

October 2, 2025
38 min
Listen to What the Heck Is a CRM?
What the Heck Is a CRM?
 
 

Episode 49

Hiring & Coaching Painting Sales Reps w/ Colin Nolan

Jon and Michael sit down with Colin Nolan of Nolan Consulting Group to unpack how painting companies can hire, coach, and keep sales reps who actually close.

September 18, 2025
1 hr 3 min
Listen to Hiring & Coaching Painting Sales Reps w/ Colin Nolan
Hiring & Coaching Painting Sales Reps w/ Colin Nolan
 
 

Episode 48

How Painting Sales Reps Can Sell When the Exterior Season Is Fully Booked

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Michael Murray and Jon Bryant dive into one of the toughest challenges for painting sales reps.

September 4, 2025
26 min
Listen to How Painting Sales Reps Can Sell When the Exterior Season Is Fully Booked
How Painting Sales Reps Can Sell When the Exterior Season Is Fully Booked
 
 

Episode 47

Scaling a Painting Business to $10M w/ Matt Kuyper

In this episode of Price Sell Paint, Matt Kuyper, co-owner and founder of Harpeth Painting, reveals how he scaled his company to more than $10 million.

August 21, 2025
46 min
Listen to Scaling a Painting Business to $10M w/ Matt Kuyper
Scaling a Painting Business to $10M w/ Matt Kuyper
 
 

Episode 46

The Smarter Way to Sell Painting Jobs

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon Bryant from PaintScout breaks down how contractors are transforming their sales process.

August 7, 2025
44 min
Listen to The Smarter Way to Sell Painting Jobs
The Smarter Way to Sell Painting Jobs
 
 

Episode 45

Managing Unhappy Customers in Your Painting Business

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon and Michael break down real-world strategies for dealing with unhappy customers in the painting business.

July 23, 2025
47 min
Listen to Managing Unhappy Customers in Your Painting Business
Managing Unhappy Customers in Your Painting Business
 
 

Episode 44

Why Successful Painting Contractors Start Selling Winter Early

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon and Michael tackle a challenge every painting contractor in colder climates faces, how to stay busy.

July 9, 2025
45 min
Listen to Why Successful Painting Contractors Start Selling Winter Early
Why Successful Painting Contractors Start Selling Winter Early
 
 

Episode 43

Mastering the Shift from Residential to Commercial

In this episode of the Price Sell Paint podcast, Jon and Michael are joined by industry leader and PCA board member Chris Elliott.

June 26, 2025
31 min
Listen to Mastering the Shift from Residential to Commercial
Mastering the Shift from Residential to Commercial
 
 

Episode 42

Automate the Boring Stuff: How Painting Contractors Can Sell Smarter with Chris Kiefer

Jon Bryant chats with Chris Kiefer, founder of Boolean and automation nerd, about how painting contractors can use smart tools to take work off their plate.

June 11, 2025
43 min
Listen to Automate the Boring Stuff: How Painting Contractors Can Sell Smarter with Chris Kiefer
Automate the Boring Stuff: How Painting Contractors Can Sell Smarter with Chris Kiefer
 
 

Episode 41

Why Customers Ghost, Lowball, & Lead You On

In this episode, Jon and Michael unpack the real reasons why customers ghost, lowball, and lead you on and how you can shift the sales dynamic.

May 29, 2025
54 min
Listen to Why Customers Ghost, Lowball, & Lead You On
Why Customers Ghost, Lowball, & Lead You On
 
 

Episode 40

Selling with Color: How Color Consults Close More Jobs

In this episode, Jon and Michael sit with Amanda, color consultant, and interior design pro, to talk about the powerful role color plays in thee sale process.

May 14, 2025
36 min
Listen to Selling with Color: How Color Consults Close More Jobs
Selling with Color: How Color Consults Close More Jobs
 
 

Episode 39

What Makes a Painting Company Financially Successful

In this episode, Jon Bryant sits down with Daniel Honan, to uncover the key financial habits that separate thriving painting companies from the rest.

May 1, 2025
44 min
Listen to What Makes a Painting Company Financially Successful
What Makes a Painting Company Financially Successful
 
 

Episode 38

PaintScout X: Sales Unleashed

In this episode, Jon Bryant and Michael Murray sit down to give you an inside look at PaintScout X: Sales Unleashed, happening April 23rd, 2025.

April 17, 2025
31 min
Listen to PaintScout X: Sales Unleashed
PaintScout X: Sales Unleashed
 
 

Episode 37

Are Virtual Estimates the Future?

In this episode of the Price Sell Paint podcast, Jon Bryant and Michael Murray dive into the controversial topic of virtual estimates.

April 2, 2025
39 min
Listen to Are Virtual Estimates the Future?
Are Virtual Estimates the Future?
 
 

Episode 36

Building a Winning Sales Team w/ Kevin Nolan

In this episode, Jon and Michael sit down with Kevin Nolan to dive into the fundamentals of building a strong sales team in the painting business.

March 29, 2025
1 hr 2 min
Listen to Building a Winning Sales Team w/ Kevin Nolan
Building a Winning Sales Team w/ Kevin Nolan
 
 

Episode 33

How to 10x Your Painting Business in 2025

Ready to grow your painting business? In this episode of Price.Sell.Paint., Jon Bryant & Michael Murray dive into the strategies you need to scale.

January 15, 2025
43 min
Listen to How to 10x Your Painting Business in 2025
How to 10x Your Painting Business in 2025
 
 

Episode 32

How to Sell More Cabinet Painting Jobs

In this episode, Luis Rodriguez, from Lifetime Custom Painting, shares strategies for growing and scaling a successful painting business with his father.

January 1, 2025
45 min
Listen to How to Sell More Cabinet Painting Jobs
How to Sell More Cabinet Painting Jobs
 
 

Episode 31

Master SALES OBJECTIONS in 2025 [Proven Tips for Painting Contractors]

Are you a painting contractor, painting business owner, or sales rep in the painting industry looking to close more deals in 2025?

December 18, 2024
38 min
Listen to Master SALES OBJECTIONS in 2025 [Proven Tips for Painting Contractors]
Master SALES OBJECTIONS in 2025 [Proven Tips for Painting Contractors]
 
 

Episode 30

How Much Should I Charge for Painting in My City? (+More Listener Questions!)

In this episode, Jon & Michael engage in a listener Q&A session, addressing common challenges faced by painting contractors and business owners.

December 4, 2024
43 min
Listen to How Much Should I Charge for Painting in My City? (+More Listener Questions!)
How Much Should I Charge for Painting in My City? (+More Listener Questions!)
 
 

Episode 29

The Art of Selling: Your Guide to Painting Sales Mastery

In this episode, the guest is Jim Falk, the VP of Sales at Nolan Painting — "the G.O.A.T." as Jon & Michael like to say!

November 20, 2024
51 min
Listen to The Art of Selling: Your Guide to Painting Sales Mastery
The Art of Selling: Your Guide to Painting Sales Mastery
 
 

Episode 28

Good-Better-Best: Is Tiered Pricing Right for Your Painting Business?

In this episode, Jon & Michael explore the concept of the 'Good-Better-Best' pricing strategy within the painting industry.

November 13, 2024
51 min
Listen to Good-Better-Best: Is Tiered Pricing Right for Your Painting Business?
Good-Better-Best: Is Tiered Pricing Right for Your Painting Business?
 
 

Episode 27

Tom Reber Is Back in the Painting Industry!

On this episode, Tom Reber, founder of the Contractor Fight, shares his experience of starting a new painting company… again.

November 6, 2024
48 min
Listen to Tom Reber Is Back in the Painting Industry!
Tom Reber Is Back in the Painting Industry!
 
 

Episode 26

Should Painting Contractors Offer Discounts?

In Part 2 of this discussion on pricing strategies in the painting industry, Jon & Michael focus on the pros & cons of discounting.

October 23, 2024
16 min
Listen to Should Painting Contractors Offer Discounts?
Should Painting Contractors Offer Discounts?
 
 

Episode 25

Raise Your Damn Prices!

How much are you charging per hour? The answer is: probably not enough! Many painting contractors confuse being busy with being successful.

October 16, 2024
1 hr 2 min
Listen to Raise Your Damn Prices!
Raise Your Damn Prices!
 
 

Episode 24

The Secret to Selling Paint Jobs (That No One is Talking About!)

In this episode, Jon & Michael interview Seth Peek to explore his journey in the painting industry and other endeavours that all point to business growth.

October 2, 2024
52 min
Listen to The Secret to Selling Paint Jobs (That No One is Talking About!)
The Secret to Selling Paint Jobs (That No One is Talking About!)
 
 

Episode 23

Nick Slavik on Sales, Marketing, Lead Generation & the Future of the Painting Industry

Nick Slavik, a 32-year master craftsman and Board Chair of the Painting Contractors Association (PCA), joins Jon & Michael to discuss the painting industry.

September 18, 2024
58 min
Listen to Nick Slavik on Sales, Marketing, Lead Generation & the Future of the Painting Industry
Nick Slavik on Sales, Marketing, Lead Generation & the Future of the Painting Industry
 
 

Episode 22

Prospecting Strategies from a Top Painting Sales Rep

In this conversation, Mike Green, a top-performing sales rep at Fitzpatrick Painting, shares his expertise in sales and prospecting with Jon & Michael.

September 4, 2024
36 min
Listen to Prospecting Strategies from a Top Painting Sales Rep
Prospecting Strategies from a Top Painting Sales Rep
 
 

Episode 20

Production Rate Estimating in Commercial Painting

On this episode, Brian Struble, owner of Shaver Painting & Decorating, shares his experience transitioning from residential to commercial painting.

August 7, 2024
53 min
Listen to Production Rate Estimating in Commercial Painting
Production Rate Estimating in Commercial Painting
 
 

Episode 19

Is There Room for Women in the Painting Industry?

This episode brings on Maggie Kuyper, CEO of Harpeth Painting, to discuss the role of women in painting and the benefits the female perspective brings.

July 24, 2024
37 min
Listen to Is There Room for Women in the Painting Industry?
Is There Room for Women in the Painting Industry?
 
 

Episode 21

How to Grow a $2M Painting Business & Maximize Profit

Today's guest, Ty Brown, shares his journey in the painting industry, from starting out as a side hustle to growing his business to over $2 million in revenue.

July 21, 2024
35 min
Listen to How to Grow a $2M Painting Business & Maximize Profit
How to Grow a $2M Painting Business & Maximize Profit
 
 

Episode 18

Mastering a Sales System: The Key to Success in the Painting Industry

In this episode, Jon & Michael chat with Colten Bethel as he shares about his journey to becoming a top painting sales rep.

July 10, 2024
50 min
Listen to Mastering a Sales System: The Key to Success in the Painting Industry
Mastering a Sales System: The Key to Success in the Painting Industry
 
 

Episode 17

How to Sell More Painting Jobs [Top Sales Rep Strategies]

Today, Jon & Michael interview Connor Forbeck, a top painting sales rep in the PaintScout database, from Sound Painting Solutions.

June 26, 2024
40 min
Listen to How to Sell More Painting Jobs [Top Sales Rep Strategies]
How to Sell More Painting Jobs [Top Sales Rep Strategies]
 
 

Episode 16

Setting the Table, Pain-Points & Closing on the Spot [Painting Sales Tips]

In this episode, Jon and Michael interview Russell Godoy, one of the top painting sales reps in the PaintScout database.

June 12, 2024
38 min
Listen to Setting the Table, Pain-Points & Closing on the Spot [Painting Sales Tips]
Setting the Table, Pain-Points & Closing on the Spot [Painting Sales Tips]
 
 

Episode 15

Best Follow-up Strategies for Painting Companies

This conversation discusses the importance of follow-ups in the sales process and provides strategies for effective follow-up communication in painting.

May 29, 2024
47 min
Listen to Best Follow-up Strategies for Painting Companies
Best Follow-up Strategies for Painting Companies
 
 

Episode 14

3 Tips for Painting Contractors in the Busy Season (AVOID Burnout!)

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon & Michael discuss how to handle the busy season in the painting industry and avoid burnout.

May 15, 2024
58 min
Listen to 3 Tips for Painting Contractors in the Busy Season (AVOID Burnout!)
3 Tips for Painting Contractors in the Busy Season (AVOID Burnout!)
 
 

Episode 13

How to Handle Price Objections [Painting Contractors]

In this episode, Jon and Michael discuss the five words no painting company ever wants to hear: “Your price is too high.”

May 1, 2024
58 min
Listen to How to Handle Price Objections [Painting Contractors]
How to Handle Price Objections [Painting Contractors]
 
 

Episode 12

Tough Questions About Painting Sales Software – Answered!

In this conversation, Jon & Michael have Mark Glinskiy on the podcast to ask the tough questions about sales software — and they leave nothing on the table!

April 17, 2024
1 hr 3 min
Listen to Tough Questions About Painting Sales Software – Answered!
Tough Questions About Painting Sales Software – Answered!
 
 

Episode 11

12 Reasons to Attend 'PaintScout X' [Painting Sales Conference 2024]

PaintScout X (as in "experience") is an online conference for painting sales professionals taking place on April 10-11, 2024.

April 4, 2024
34 min
Listen to 12 Reasons to Attend 'PaintScout X' [Painting Sales Conference 2024]
12 Reasons to Attend 'PaintScout X' [Painting Sales Conference 2024]
 
 

Episode 10

Winning at Sales: Untold Secrets from $2M+ Painting Sales Reps

In this episode, Jon & Michael discuss strategies of top sales reps in the painting industry by revisiting a presentation they shared at the PCA EXPO.

March 29, 2024
1 hr 18min
Listen to Winning at Sales: Untold Secrets from $2M+ Painting Sales Reps
Winning at Sales: Untold Secrets from $2M+ Painting Sales Reps
 
 

Episode 9

STEAL THIS Referral System for Painting Sales Reps [Secret Unlocked]

In this episode, Jon & Michael interview Dave Bryant, a successful Sales Rep in the painting industry, about his strategies for generating referrals.

March 15, 2024
37 min
Listen to STEAL THIS Referral System for Painting Sales Reps [Secret Unlocked]
STEAL THIS Referral System for Painting Sales Reps [Secret Unlocked]
 
 

Episode 8

Sales Compensation Structures in the Painting Industry

Jon & Michael discuss different methods of compensating Painting Sales Reps, including aligning the compensation structure with the company's core values.

March 4, 2024
46 min
Listen to Sales Compensation Structures in the Painting Industry
Sales Compensation Structures in the Painting Industry
 
 

Episode 7

6 Things You Should Never Do at a Home Show

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon & Michael discuss how painting companies can have the most success at home shows.

February 15, 2024
41 min
Listen to 6 Things You Should Never Do at a Home Show
6 Things You Should Never Do at a Home Show
 
 

Episode 35

Should Painting Contractors Include Materials in Their Hourly Rate?

In this episode of Price. Sell. Paint., Jon Bryant & Michael Murray dive into one of the most debated topics in the painting industry.

February 12, 2024
31 min
Listen to Should Painting Contractors Include Materials in Their Hourly Rate?
Should Painting Contractors Include Materials in Their Hourly Rate?
 
 

Episode 6

2 Things to Evaluate When You're Not Hitting Your Sales Goals

In this episode, Jon & Michael discuss the 2 Big Pillars you need to look at when your sales teams (or yourself!) are not hitting their goals.

January 31, 2024
47 min
Listen to 2 Things to Evaluate When You're Not Hitting Your Sales Goals
2 Things to Evaluate When You're Not Hitting Your Sales Goals
 
 

Episode 34

Proven Sales Strategies from a Painting Business Pro (Eric Barstow)

In this episode, Eric Barstow from Painting Business Pro offers actionable insights on mastering sales in the painting industry.

January 29, 2024
52 min
Listen to Proven Sales Strategies from a Painting Business Pro (Eric Barstow)
Proven Sales Strategies from a Painting Business Pro (Eric Barstow)
 
 

Episode 5

Annual Goal Setting for Painting Contractors in 2024

Annual goal setting is a vital part of running a successful painting business. In this episode, Jon & Michael discuss a methodical approach to setting.

January 17, 2024
50 min
Listen to Annual Goal Setting for Painting Contractors in 2024
Annual Goal Setting for Painting Contractors in 2024
 
 

Episode 4

Starting a Painting Business in 2025 [What You Need to Know]

In this conversation, Jon Bryant & Michael Murray discuss their experiences and lessons learned in the painting industry.

January 3, 2024
53 min
Listen to Starting a Painting Business in 2025 [What You Need to Know]
Starting a Painting Business in 2025 [What You Need to Know]
 
 

Episode 3

Production Rate Estimating 101

There's a lot of confusion around painting estimation methods, so today Jon Bryant & Michael Murray clearly define what Production Rate Estimating is.

December 20, 2023
1 hr 19 min
Listen to Production Rate Estimating 101
Production Rate Estimating 101
 
 

Episode 2

Hiring a Sales Rep – For Painting Contractors

Whether you're hiring your first sales rep or just looking to expand your sales team, finding the right fit for your growing painting business isn't easy.

December 12, 2023
59 min
Listen to Hiring a Sales Rep – For Painting Contractors
Hiring a Sales Rep – For Painting Contractors
 
 

Episode 1

How to Generate Leads in the Slow Season

In this episode, Jon & Michael discuss nine ways painting contractors can generate leads in the winter months (i.e. the dreaded slow season).

November 22, 2023
1 hr 4 min
Listen to How to Generate Leads in the Slow Season
How to Generate Leads in the Slow Season

Ready to get started?

Get a personalized demo with our team, or start exploring on your own with a free trial.

Book a Demo
Start a Trial